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The blog below is totally hilarious for its stupidity. Here are "experts" that take themselves very serious and will allow themselves to pass very pertinent negative judgements on the validity of a 4 minute workout on the ROM without having ever tried a ROM. Most of these people are personal trainers that get a "degree" and diploma from A.C.E. Fortunately near the end of the blog there are two owners of ROM machines giving their review of the ROM as well. And of course these are reviews from two people that have actual personal experience with the ROM. So here comes the A.C.E. blog that really shows what so called "experts" are all about.
Read http://www.guardiansofthestatusquo.com/ to understand why experts (many of them) behave in this very predicable manner. They are not evil people, they mean well, but are stuck in their roles of "experts" in which logical reflection is dismissed as lack of expertise and rapid answers or swift and pertinent dismissals of things new (and therefor in conflict with accepted expert knowledge) are regarded as real high value expertise. 
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Danzereli5
posted 02-01-06 12:02 PM 
I saw an advertisement and DVD for a machine called the ROM (Range of Motion) Machine. It touts a 4 minute workout daily is equivilant to 30 min. cardio, 20 minutes strengh training, and 15 minutes flexibility training. I'm skeptical that in just 4 minutes you are getting an aerobic workout. The resistance seems high enough so that you would be elevating your heart rate, but can 4 minutes really do that much?[This message was edited by ACE Administrator on 05-09-06 at 03:13 PM.] 
 
topfit
Senior Member
posted 02-01-06 12:31 PM 
I'm not usually this blunt on the forum, but there's really no other way of expressing my assessment of this machine and the claims made, so here goes:
Crap! Garbage! Snake Oil! Scam! Waste of money! Hoax!
http://www.topfitonline.com/
Posts: 130 |  From: Medford, OR USA |  Registered: 01-27-00  
 
Trainer Lynn
Senior Member
posted 02-02-06 05:23 PM 
I didn't look at the website, but I echo topfit's reply
Lynn
http://strength-training-woman.com/
Posts: 121 |  Registered: 08-02-05  
 
Danzereli5@aol.com

posted 02-02-06 07:19 PM 
My first reaction was just as yours, so I'm wondering if you tried the machine or checked the webste and are commenting, or this is your gut reaction?
Has anyone out there actually tried it? 

Trainer Lynn
Senior Member
posted 02-03-06 06:49 AM 
Oh look... it cures AIDS and solves Global Warming as well! Ok, so I looked at the website this time. No, I haven't tried it. And I still stand by my belief. As I read their "Sales" page it just talks negative talk. It demeans personal trainers, it sends you to various articles about how great the machine is, etc. Did I ever mention that I can write a press release about myself and tell the world how great I am? I mean seriously, if you want to try it out then go ahead. Let me know how it works and if it's the "least expensive" equipment you've found.

Personally, their attack of fitness professionals throws me off a bit. I recommend they hire a PR firm (or me!) to re-do their sales page. Then I recommend they take their product and let 100 or so personal trainers try it out for 30 days to see how it works. Personal trainers are not happy with the "status quo." I would love a magic machine that I could sell to my clients. They would LOVE to hear that all they have to do is workout for 4 minutes a day. I would be rich! I'm sticking with the tried and true, effective and safe, tested and scientific results focused education that I have gained. Because that method has worked wonders for me, my clients, and everyone else I know. Sorry to ramble... no I have not tried this machine.
Lynn
http://strength-training-woman.com/
Posts: 121 |  Registered: 08-02-05  
 
CinStr
New Member
posted 02-03-06 12:12 PM 
Hi. I haven't tried this machine and quite frankly I'd be afraid to.  Looks like some type of torture device. Could you imagine as a personal trainer having that in your gym and a client comes over? You would think they would run for the hills after seeing that contraption.
I wouldn't waste money on it. But that's just me and a few others here.
Cindy
Posts: 4 |  From: Spokane, WA |  Registered: 01-27-06  
 
EEsterling
Senior Member
posted 02-04-06 07:50 PM 
There's one of those at a facility near me. Never tried it.
While the claims are ludicrous, I wouldn't go so far as to say completely avoid it.
ANYTHING is better than nothing. I do think your money is better spent in other ways, but if you must try it, it's unlikely to do any harm.
Posts: 261 |  From: MA |  Registered: 06-05-02  
 
fitness701
posted 02-26-06 10:25 AM 
If we review "Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescriptions", the bible for exercise physiologists, a 4 minute workout would have to be done 7&1/2 times/day to be a 30-minute cardiovascular workout. We would then question the cardio benefit as the typical session should be 20-minutes in duration (in healthy individuals, of course.)  
 
John de la Garza
posted 04-21-06 06:12 PM 
I've never seen such a bunch of ignorant idiots. You guys are critisizng something you know nothing about. I've seen posts saying, I haven't gone to the website or checked it out, but I just know it sucks. I'm not promoting the machine. But the type of people I see here are the kind that wouldn't be able to adapt or appreciate anything new. Stuck in traditional ways. Bummer... 
  
Steve R
Senior Member
posted 04-21-06 10:17 PM 
Hey John,
Wow...nothing like a little name calling and the casting of sweeping generalizations to win friends and influence people. (yes, you may infer sarcasm here). It's physically impossible to back up those claims...there's just no way any machine, however "efficient" it's reputed to be, can change the laws of nature. It doesn't have anything to do with being narrow minded or reactionary or ignorant...it's just physiology. 20 minutes of aerobic exercise is 20 minutes of aerobic exercise and there's no getting around it. And don't even get me started on how ridiculous the thought of 4 minutes of strength training is. Give me a break.
Posts: 77 |  From: Fond du Lac, WI, USA |  Registered: 04-06-06  
  
Bishop
Senior Member
posted 04-21-06 11:50 PM 
John,
No one is saying the Exercise Science Community is always correct, or for that matter, has all the answers, but it would seem to me you are doing the exact same thing you've accused others of doing. I'm not trying to gang up here. Steve has laid out a clear outline to the years of research and studies, which would basically dismiss claims made regarding the device. If you possess any current supporting reputable scientific evidence to the contrary, believe me, we would all be very interested. For now, I remain extremely skeptical of any magic bullet.
Posts: 40 |  Registered: 12-26-05  
 
tc4isu
Senior Member
posted 04-22-06 10:56 AM 
For $14,615 I will work you out for 3 mins a day, no problem. I even promise you the 4th min free. I will be using my innovated and state of the art exercise techniques that have been around since 1990. It must be a great piece of equipment, since it has been around since 1990 and no one has heard of it, except southern california. I mean if southern california uses it, I am in. I read also that they have moved to a bigger factory...great. I take this as moving from dad's garage to the back shed. But if you do purchase this equipment...look at it this way you will be the coolest guy on the block and have an interesting piece of equipment in your house to talk about at your next get together.
They also state that "Because of the high cost of time 92% of people who own treadmills do not use them." They forgot to throw in "100% of the costumers of ROM use this piece of equipment to hang thier clothes on" OH man this is going to be a long message. They also state "Then the average PERSONAL COST PER USE will have been $1.17 but the ROM will have at least another 67500 uses in it that can be used up by someone else." If you keep this piece of equipment for 20 years and die, who ever you leave this ROM with still has 67,500 uses left. How sweet of a deal is that. Ok im done for now..seriously just read over their question and answer forum. If you are thinking about purchasing this equipment shame on your parents....if you read the Q and A and still think about buying this equipment shame on you.
Tyler Christiansen
tc4isu@yahoo.com
[This message was edited by tc4isu on 04-22-06 at 10:10 AM.]
Posts: 20 |  From: Baghdad, Iraq |  Registered: 10-08-05  
 
Marc Lebert
Senior Member
posted 05-12-06 07:05 PM 
how about this. do full range of motion, perfect form, deep squats (assuming you have no knee problems) without weight and see if you can get a good workout in four minutes! you can. the legs will be tired, maybe even sore and the cardio will be up (in some cases it could be way up so if you are deconditioned do not try this!). that being said it is by no means a complete program. just food for thought.
Marc Lebert
http://www.lebertequalizer.com/ 
Posts: 5 |  From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada |  Registered: 05-12-06  
 
babygege7 
posted 05-15-06 01:20 PM 
This is my first time on this forum but the concept of a workout in 4 minutes is the craziest thing I've ever seen. The really really sad thing about this is that some people are going to waste their money and time ( even if it's only 4 minutes a day) on this thing. The idiots selling that machine should really be punished for using mostly desperate people, because let's face it the people buying these devices are most of the time desperatly looking for a kwik fix. The rest of us know you need time and dedication to get a good workout. 
EEsterling
Senior Member

posted 05-16-06 08:38 AM 
I disagree babygege7.
4 minutes of exercise is better than none. I believe people who move from NO exercise to 4 minutes a day WILL notice an improvement. My guess is that most will max out the benefits of a ROM machine and/or get bored of it in less than a month. But if recognizing that they can do SOMETHING in 4 minutes a day is enough to get them in the door, good. If that leads them to realize that exercise is doable and beneficial and then pursue it further, good. Getting started is usually the biggest impediment to exercise. If some people are drawn to fitness by the promise of benefit on just 4 minutes a day, at least they are drawn to exercise. Will it match the claims made by the manufacturers? Not a chance. Will it get more people up off the couch and started on SOMETHING? I'm optimistic. I'm not worried about fit people dropping back their exercise to this device.
Posts: 261 |  From: MA |  Registered: 06-05-02  
 
4minuteman
New Member
posted 05-23-06 03:26 PM 
Wow, there are sure some opinionated people on this board! I have a ROM machine and have used it daily for 18 months (except for about 20 days away on vacation). It is great! I loathe going to smelly gyms full of narcissistic twits who like to watch themselves in mirrors. Every time I have joined one I have given up within three months. I have tried several different exercise machines over the years (63 years in my case) and every one of them has ended up in a garage sale. I don't care for sports and never have. I don't like running and never have. I don't mind riding my bike occasionally, but where I live that means a maximum of about four months a year. I do walk my dogs every day for about 20 minutes. I like wine and good food, and my steadily expanding waistline was letting the world know about it. I'm sorry, but unlike most of the people on this and other 'fitness' boards, I plain don't enjoy exercising. When I saw an ad for the QuickGym I was every bit as sceptical as anybody else with half a brain. But after a whole bunch of reading and thinking, I took the plunge and ordered one. I'm not sure it is as good as they claim -- or maybe I don't use it 100% effectively -- but it sure has made a difference for me. I am down from 240 lbs to 215. My knees, with which I have had problems for years, have strengthened up and no longer hurt except when I kneel for extended periods of time. All my back troubles have completely disappeared. When I wake up in the morning, I am no longer stiff and creaky. I have way more energy than I have had for years. I am a lot stronger, and I much prefer the way I now fit my T-shirts. I hate the bloody machine, and I dislike my intensive exercises every morning, but at least I am doing them, and at least my lousy willpower is just strong enough to invest four minutes a day. Do I recommend the QuickGym to others? Only if you have the same issues with exercising that I do/did, and in that case yes, I do recommend it, and enthusiastically. If you don't mind spending 30 to 60 minutes a day doing traditional execises, no, I don't recommend it. But to all the bigoted it-must-be-hype people who aren't open-minded enough even to think for thirty seconds about the possibility that something worthwhile might just exist outside your existing paradigm, I say lighten up. Every person without exception who has seen my machine and laughed at what I paid and the whole idea of only spending four minutes a day has failed to make it through four minutes with the machine set to where I have it. They always end up giving up and gasping and with a totally new respect for the concept behind the machine. And no, I am not in any way connected with ROM Fab or whatever they are called.
Posts: 1 |  From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada |  Registered: 05-23-06  
 
My sentiments exactly
posted 05-23-06 04:02 PM 
My wife and I (middle aged) too took the plunge and have never been more pleased. The machine works and whether it is the best possible exercise does not matter to us -- it is a good workout which shows results in 90 to 180 days of daily use. My wife's blood pressure has gone down considerably and our arobic stamina is increasing weekly. We are more fit than at anytime in our lives (I understand that is not saying a whole lot compared to a life-time of active exercise). I still don't quite understand the extra energy stuff but it seems a lot of people who exercise claim it happens. We're still waiting. We hate exercise, gyms,and the whole exercise mentality that thinks there is only one path for everyone. ROM has a niche market because there are a lot of us. If you are like 4minuteman and others like us, just give it a try and see for yourself. I am not related to the ROM business in any way except that I've given them a big wad of cash. I still think its very expensive, but very well made and thoughtfully designed. We don't regret it. 
  
tc4isu 
posted 05-28-06 11:14 AM 
hey 4minute man...
the mirrors are not just for admiring your body, but they are also for augmented feedback. People are critiquing their form, range of motion, posture, and so on...not to mention it does provide positive feedback on your resutls you might be making. Don't feel ashamed to look in that mirror and watch yourself. It has nothing to do with being "narcissistic twits". Congrats on lowering your weight and your positive results. But I am sorry that you lack motivation. Excercise should be fun, exciting, and something you enjoy. I'm glad that you at least get 4 mins. of exercise in a day. If the ROM did it for you, then like eesterling posted, "4 minutes of exercise is better than none. I believe people who move from NO exercise to 4 minutes a day WILL notice an improvement." Maybe you need to be more open-minded, and realize all the years of research in the exercise field might mean something. And what's with saying "bigoted it must-be-hype people". Go ahead and take a few minutes out of your busy schedule and actually look at a couple scientific journals and the years of research that is available to you. Remember, when you point a finger at someone else, you have 3 other fingers pointing back at you. In closing good luck getting motivated, congrats on your results, and think of the possibilities if you opened up your mind a little more to exercise.  
 
goingdown 
posted 06-05-06 06:21 PM 
Well, I am on this website to get opinions and boy oh boy did I! As it happens, I just stopped at a QuckGym and before I even spoke to the Manager, I went around and asked the people who were getting off the machines what they thought about it, how long they have been excercising and what are they doing along with excercising, (dieting?) and amazingly enough, they all loved it and some had even been coming for over a year. Two of these persons were only in their twenties and very fit. The others were 20-30's and even 50-60's. Everyone of them were very satisfied. I am open to options and because this place offers two complimentary sessions, I am going to try it tomorrow and the next day. I will keep you all informed on how it is going. 
  
AJ
posted 07-03-06 02:36 PM 
I've enjoyed reading the 4 min ROM discussion. I've tried the machine and it puts out a solid workout in the short period of time as claimed. I like better the product my CEO invented that uses body weight where people can get a full body workout in 5-10 minutes per day, only compared to the ROM, it costs a lot less ($299) and only weighs in at 5 lbs and is portable. I've been doing as my sole exercise the 5-minutes per day effort on our system. My findings: doubled my strength in 90 days.Still get my butt kicked 3 years later doing the exact same thing, so for me, the residual question is moot and it's too quick to "get bored". Additionally a study we did at a major engineering university on the product saw an average statistically significant increase in strength of 20% and endurance of 30% with just 9 uses of less than 5 minutes each spread over 3 weeks in 17 users as compared to a control group. So there may be some new things that can help the exercise community but like most logical folks, it's hard to break through, even with convincing data. Regarding personal trainers, we've found some very open and amazed at our product and others who totally reject the idea without even trying the system or bothering to listen. They remind me of the fellow who allegedly wanted to close down the US patent office because everything of importance had already been invented-- and that was supposedly in the 1870's!! But it's understandable, the skepticism. There are new ideas created everyday. Because many are indeed gimmicks or nonfunctional, it's easier to reject all new ideas rather than approach something with an open mind until proven otherwise. Since this is a community board that no doubt eschews commercialism, I'll keep my company name private. If you would like to see the research, you can email me at my private email: ajdeeds@sbcglobal.com.
Keep up the fine work with the traditional methods. They work and are proven. But remember they don't fit everyone and with the obesity and lack of activity issues in the US in particular, all of us need to come up with some new options to get those who aren't exercising up off their butts and improving their health and wellness-- regardless if it's in a gym, using a personal trainer, or doing home, team, individual or outdoor sports.

Thanks.